I knew that there was a subtext to this and the rumor is that Hildog dissed Katie Couric, who runs a close second in meanness. And that explains how a news agency so far left that at times I thought they phoned Pravda to check "facts" would actually expose Atilla the Hilla's lie.

But Barack Hussein Obama had a presser and answered a few questions and when pressed for more said, "Come on. I've answered eight questions already." This inflamed the paleopress.

Our biggest asset is the huge (unjustified) egos of the dinosaur electronic press.

Liberal fight! Liberal fight!

At least when Clinton lied, nobody died.

So list Bush's big lies. Give me the big three lies in your book.

Nailed it again Walsingham !

Here's one for News Room Stew .

Since Councilman Michael Trost is a convention delegate for Hillary , why doesn't someone in the newsroom ask him how HE feels about her mis-speak .

Yes , it won't be news but it ought to be funny as hell .

At least when Clinton lied, nobody died.

My lord. Will that example of crass sloganeering never go away? It's on the level with "So's your mother."

Google "Bush's top lies" and read the sites that come up. Some of the lists limit themselves to ten, others go to forty.

Kind of like saying "We have proof they have WMD's!!"; when they didn't?? Elitist American businessmen using OUR country's resources to make some bucks for themselves. You don't see Dubya's little tart daughters in camo on the frontline, do you?? I guess like father, like daughter.

Google "Clinton Sex Scandal" and you get 3,310,000 hits. "Teddy Kennedy Death" gets 1,970,000. "George Bush Lies" gets 642,000. That's 19.4% and 32.6%.

Thank you, Pandora; you are the best pitcher of softballs yet.

And Stu Pidasso, calling Bush's daughters tart is nothing more than mean. Jenna Bush is a school teacher who took time out to work for UNICEF charities, and is writing a book about poor Latin-American women. Jennifer Bush works for the Smithsonian, which, I hope you know, is not a cathouse nor a home for roues.

I refer you to what I said about mean liberals. This is nothing but sheer nastiness.

I now understand why there was no liberal denunciation of Michael Moore et al for calling for the death of political opponents. And I begin to understand more and more when there are leftists, concentration camps soon follow.

Really. Calling these two girls tarts? That is despicable. At best the scattershot sneer of an unformed mind steeped in resentment.

Okay, Stu, you have actually taken the time to put quote marks around the phrase, "We have proof they have WMD's!".

You have the entire internet at your disposal.

So find when and where it was that Bush said that.

As this man leaves office, he leaves a legacy of war, torture, concentration camps, ethnic cleansing, rape, and murder. It is amazing how he could still have a few defenders left in his Midland Bunker.

Hells Bells, Old Timer...

Okay, War I get. We will just have to agree to disagree about the necessity of it.

But torture? Three water-boardings? Ever? Used on three terrorists universally recognized as high-level leaders of AQI? With no more waterboardings in the last 6 years?

Concentration Camps? Sorry, no. Prisoner of War camps, yes. But by equating Gitmo with Auschwitz you have completely dropped your mask of rational thought and have fallen completely into an entirely emotion driven hatred of all things Bush. Stop for just a second and think about the look that you would get from that survivor of a real concentration camp that spoke at Trinity School just this past week if you were to tell him that Gitmo is the same thing as Aushwitz.

Ethnic cleansing? Sorry, strike three (Don't worry you have many left to go). Ethnic cleansing is what was done to the Jews in WWII (9,000,000 killed). Or to the Muslims in Serbia (250,000 killed). Or what the Hutus did to the Tutsis in Africa (500,000 to 800,00 killed). All targeted specifically because of an ethnic origin. Even if you are blinkered enough to believe the "Hundreds of thousands of innocents killed" b.s. early in this thread you can't say that they were targeted because of their ethnicity. There has been ethnic cleansing in Iraq, to be sure, like the Marsh Arabs and the Northern Kurds....but that stopped when the guy responsible for it was deposed by a certain American President.

Rape and Murder? Yes, it happened. Yes, apparently at the hands of American soldiers. But if this means that Bush has a legacy of Rape and Murder because American soldiers committed rape and murder while he was President then it is a legacy he shares with every other man to have held that office both in war and in peace time.

Old Timer, you are way too emotionally over-wrought to argue this stuff effectively.

More on Bush's "Legacy of Torture".

Exhibit A: This AP news report that surfaced today. Apparently, except for the long ago waterboarding of three Al Qaeda bigs, Bush's so-called "Legacy of Torture" boils down to a memo outlining legal arguments for allowing Bush (or any sitting President during wartime, for that matter) to override the usual constraints and use "harsh interrogation techniques" against

Harsh. Techniques.

Just what percentage of the world's prison population incarcerated in other countries would swim to Cuba if they were allowed to switch their current conditions with those at Gitmo?

Even our domestic prison population for that matter?

We can count on Walsingham to be a staunch defender of all things Bush, and I can accept that. He clicks his heels, gives the stright are salute, and sticks to the White House talking points like glue. After all, it is glue that holds his cut and paste world together. Don't go away Walsingham - we need you to balance out local opinion of Herr Bush.

Wow. Three Nazi references in one comment. How original. From a person who trivializes the Holocaust by attempting to compare it to Gitmo.

And from the same IP address as all of the Bush Derangement Syndrome addled comments left by Disgruntled Republican, Old Timer, Answer Man, Helpful Person, and The Mouth of the South.

Either the Senior Center at which y'all *cough* share a router (yeah, right) has a bunch of terminals or you guys are signing up for shifts to show up here and comment.

Walsingham, perhaps Bush Derangement Syndrome is linked with multiple personality disorder?

Logically just the same sort of lie as trivializing the Holocaust.

They don't even stop to think about why concentration camps are called concentration camps.

I beleive that Gitmo holds all of about 500 terrorists. (Yes, terrorists. Not "Freedom Fighters", not "Insurgents", not "Militants". Not "Democratic Party Activists". Terrorists. Get over it.)

At this point it would be tough to figure out who is currently holding more prisoners. Gitmo....or Midland County.

What would not be tough is to figure out which set represented a bigger threat to national security.

Gratuitous Clue Bat for all you people at the public terminal: It would be the Gitmo detainees.

If this were a boxing match they would have to stop it.

First, using quotation marks was a mistake, because it was not an actual quote. Theocritus, your argument is juvenile however, because the implication that Saddam had WMDs was the main basis for the justification to invade Iraq. Whether Dubya came out and uttered (in his broken english style of speaking) that exact phrase or not is a trivial piece of information. Even you must be aware that he argued for the invasion of Iraq based on the fraudulent information about the WMDs. And if you want proof, you go look it up; I already have seen enough to believe it is true.

Second, who said I was a liberal. I would no sooner vote for Hillary than for Mike Huckabee. I like McCain and have considerable respect for him for serving his country and surviving a POW camp while in the war. I like Obama, but don't know if he will survive the attempts on his life by the powers that be (and unfortunately I do think there will be some if it looks like he may win). Nader would be a good choice, I believe, because he isn't in the pockets of big business or special interest groups; but instead campaigns for accountable government.

Third, I provide the dictionary definition of tart below.

tart – noun
1. a small pie filled with cooked fruit or other sweetened preparation, usually having no top crust.
2. a covered pie containing fruit or the like.
3. Slang. a prostitute or promiscuous woman.
I can not claim to have actually seen either of the Bush twins take money in exchange for favors (sounds like the Bush Administration though!!), but I have seen them both mugging on the same guy in the same evening in a Maggie Mays in Austin. I have seen them both barely able to walk on 6th Street . I know that one is with child right now (and if you care to do the math you will find that her baby will not qualify as a honeymoon baby) and not married soon enough. So, I guess if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and shakes it's tail feathers like a duck; IT MUST BE A DUCK. If you think that my opinion of these ladies (and I use that term loosely) is "At best the scattershot sneer of an unformed mind steeped in resentment." That is your opinion and you are more than welcome to post it where ever you like on the internet.
As far as Jennifer writing a book about poor Latin-American women, I would be surprised if any of the proceeds ever make it south of the border to help those poor Latin-American women. Instead, I can see all the proceeds filling the bank accounts of wealthy individuals and corporations here in the Land of Greed. And Jenna at the Smithsonian??? I guess there were no positions open at Enron or Halliburton for a consultant making astronomical salaries.

I reiterate, I am not a leftist. I am not a rightist. I am equally for the rights of every person a citizen here in the USA. I am for accountable government. I think that if it is prudent for our government to charge us double fines for speeding in a work zone when workers are present, then any person filling a postion in the public trust should get three times the punishment set out in the laws if they are caught abusing the public trust. I think that presidential pardons should be abolished. I think that our goverment should not be allowed to operate in a fiscal deficit. I think that Congress should persecute the guilty in its own ranks before trying to skewer some has been professional athlete for using performance enhancing drugs. I think there should be a full investigation into the unbid contracts awarded to Halliburton in Iraq and a full audit performed to facilitate the reclamation of funds from that company before it has no holdings left in America.

In fifty years, democracy may or may not still be in Iraq. Our troops may or may not still be in Iraq. But Cheney, Dubya and all their cronies and the corporations involved will still have the billions they bilked out of the coffers of the citizens of the USA.

Last, Walsingham, you are correct. Dubya couldn't possibly have said that, because it has too many big words.
Now why don't you go "toss salad". You have the entire internet at your disposal, look that up!!

I have personally never known anyone who would order the torture of another human being. Where are we getting people like that, who think that torturing people is in the best tradition of a Christian Nation? The military has already stated that the information that comes from the lips of person who is in mortal agony is usually false, made up as a last-ditch attempt to end the pain. Having a reputation for torturing prisoners also endangers our troops, should they be captured by enemy forces. So torture is not only brutal but also useless and counter-productive. Why should Americans allow this to continue?

Stu:

Yes, it was a mistake to use the quotes because I knew that he never said that.

Further, I remember specifically what he said in his State of the Union speech just before we went into Iraq. He didn't say that we knew for sure that they had WMD's.

What he said was that all of the intelligence agencies knew that they did have them at one time and that there was no verifiable evidence that he had gotten rid of them. And that given the very nature of WMD's (nuclear, chemical, or biological) you can't wait for the threat to become imminent before acting.

That was the rationale for going in pre-emptively.

This may not be what you remember he said and I am almost certain that it is not what you just knew he meant. But that is, in fact, what he said.

As for calling the information on WMD's being fraudulent, then that information was fraudulent long before George Bush announced that he would run for the job. Go back and read all of the quotes, speeches, etc. from Clinton Administration officials (Bill, Hillary, Gore, Albright et al) regarding Saddam's possessing WMD's and how this was not a tolerable situation and all of the (now known to be empty) threats of action and recriminations. Where were they getting their info? Because while administrations changed in January 0f 2001, the intel did not.

Was the intel wrong? That is a possibility. But that is different than being fraudulent. To make the case that Bush threw fraudulent intel at us in order to justify the war you would have to show that the intel involved completely changed when he came into office. It did not.

So did Saddam ever have them? I beleive he did, which puts me in agreement with every intelligence agency in the world, basically, and BOTH the Bush and Clinton administrations.

Is Saddam the kind of man to unilaterally dispose of them? I say no. Your answer may differ.

Which leaves me bothered by the fact that these weapons then have to be somewhere. So where are they?

It ain't much, but we seem to have reached some sort of commonality by our both being bothered that we didn't find WMD's in Iraq.

Theocritus, your argument is juvenile however, because the implication that Saddam had WMDs was the main basis for the justification to invade Iraq.

How could I make a juvenile argument about WMD when I said bugger all about them? Try reading. It works a treat. You mean Walsingham, and if he has made a juvenile argument, it will the first time.

Oh. He didn't. Silly you.

And as for the Bush girls being tarts. You are getting as good as Pandora at softballs--thank you. The same number of Pilgrim women went to the altar pregnant as in the 1950s but the important thing is that they did. I have reason to believe that my grandmother caught my grandfather that way, but a marriage was forthcoming and that was that. Kind people quit counting when the parties say, "I do." Also I said that Jenna was writing the book and Jennifer was at the Smithsonian, not the other way around. At least you got that to the right author. And as for drinking, if you saw that and can reliably report it, and don't stand on your record here, that would make them, what, really unusual kids?

If you Google "Teddy Kennedy drink" you get 1,310,000 hits. If you Google "Jenna Bush drink" you get 343,000. And he's not a kid in Austin. He's the Conscience of the Senate. Oh Murgatroyd. Thank you, Pandora, for the Google weapon. I'll be sure to make good use of it.

As for your not being a liberal? Wanting Nader? Of course you wouldn't vote for Hildog; she's tearing the Democrat party apart which is just why I voted for her. Go Hildog! Liberal fight! Also the true leftist hates her with the hatred reserved for the apostate for she made some accommodationist moves to the center, which inflames the true leftist who senses that the orbit of the electrons around their nuclei is moving out of his putative statutory control. All the noises you make are liberal, so,

So, I guess if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and shakes it's [sic] tail feathers like a duck; IT MUST BE A DUCK

Or a liberal.

Then we have

I can not claim to have actually seen either of the Bush twins take money in exchange for favors (sounds like the Bush Administration though!!)

I defy you to cite a single instance of the Bush Administration taking money like, oh, the Clinton Administration for pardons. I defy you. Really, you must stop shooting off your mouth--which is armed like a BB gun.

And, finally, in a tour de farce, you delivered yourself of

In fifty years, democracy may or may not still be in Iraq. Our troops may or may not still be in Iraq. But Cheney, Dubya and all their cronies and the corporations involved will still have the billions they bilked out of the coffers of the citizens of the USA.

It would hurt your head to take the trouble to learn how the contracts to Halliburton et al are awarded so I won't suggest it and anyway it would shine light in your cave. Check out the bidding process. It's the only possible one. This is barking moonbat.

Stu Pisasso, two years ago I was quite ill and found the Bob and Tom Show, whence your soubriquet, all that I could concentrate on. Why don't you go back to the pee, poo and fart jokes?

The military has already stated that the information that comes from the lips of person who is in mortal agony is usually false, made up as a last-ditch attempt to end the pain.

The fact that, while the three Al Qaeda bigs may have been in agony, it wasn't of the mortal variety (which is why you see reporters actually undergoing waterboarding voluntarily for a news story) the military has stated that these three scumbags did, in fact, give up a lot of vaulable intel.

Having a reputation for torturing prisoners also endangers our troops, should they be captured by enemy forces.

I don't think that anyone, even terrorists, would go so far as to..you know...waterboard any of our captured soldiers after they have be-headed them. That would be just too barbaric.

More commonality:

I think that if it is prudent for our government to charge us double fines for speeding in a work zone when workers are present, then any person filling a postion in the public trust should get three times the punishment set out in the laws if they are caught abusing the public trust.

Amen.

Amen to Amen.

What about stocks in the courthouse square?

And for Republicans too.

No, dear. You can't torture card-carrying Republicans, just Other People.

Rat bastards come in all shapes and sizes. The reason that I lean, lean, mind you, toward the Republicans is that, so far, their stated policies are not as odious as that of the Democrats.

My quarrel with the Democrats (and by the way where I live I am, faute de mieux, a registered Democrat), is that they have professionalized helplessness.